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The God of Creation problem for trinitarians.

The God of creation problem caused by Hebrews 1:1-2

Hebrews 1- 1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, 2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

It is often a go to passage of the Bible for trinitarians to prove that the son is God. God created the world through his son and so this proves the pre existence of the son at creation.

I personally do not believe the passage in Hebrews is talking about the genesis creation and I have a separate writing on that, however, for arguments sake let’s just for a moment say that this passage in Hebrews is in fact referring back to the original creation where God created the world in Genesis chapter 1. Let’s go with the trinitarian interpretation and say that God did in fact create the world by his son. This actually causes a MAJOR problem for the trinitarian. One that I do not think most trinitarians, or non trinitarians for that matter, even realise exists when they make this assertion.

Let’s now look at the very beginning of the creation event that takes place in Genesis 1

Genesis 1-1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

So we know that God created the heaven and the earth in the beginning.

We also know through the narrative that God created man on day 6.

Genesis 1-26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth

God is referred to no less than 32 times in 31 verses of the first chapter of Genesis.

If you ask a trinitarian which God is being referred to, which God created the heaven and the earth at the beginning, MOST, if not all will say that this was the trinity, the father, son and holy spirit. All 3 were involved in the creation of the world. The creator God being the trinity. They will often point to the verse just stated, Genesis 1-26 as proof of this and say that God said let US make man in OUR image. A clear reference to the trinity.

So the God who created the world in Genesis 1 is the trinity.

God therefore could be replaced with the trinity in this verse, so Genesis 1-1 could just as easily read

Genesis 1-1 In the beginning the trinity created the heaven and the earth.

And herein lies the problem.

If we actually just take a step back and look at this claim logically we will see some fundamental flaws in the trinitarian interpretation and reasoning. We will see that the trinitarian has a very big problem when it comes to consistency of their interpretation and reasoning. 

If we also assert that God, the trinity, the father son and holy spirit together created the world at the beginning in Genesis 1 AND we also assert that God created the world in Genesis 1 how the passage in Hebrews states, through his son then we have just created a irreconcilable contradiction.

If it was the trinity that created the world and the trinity did so through the son then the trinity did NOT in fact create the world through the father or the holy spirit. Therefore the father and the holy spirit did NOT and could not have created the world seeing the world was created through the son. The father and the holy spirit are not therefore the creators of the world. The son alone is the creator. The trinity created the world through the son. 

Furthermore and this is even worse for the trinitarian,  the son in the trinitarian understanding is NOT the son of the trinity. The son is only the son IN the trinity, a member of the trinity but not the son of the trinity, the son cannot in fact be the son of the God that he is a member of. The son is actually the son of the father.  The trinity in Genesis 1-1 cannot therefore be the correct God. If God created the world through HIS son then this can only be referring to the father and cannot be referring to the trinity as the son is a member of the trinity not the son of the trinity. This means that we are left with the simple option of inferring that the God in reference in Genesis 1 is the father and so we can ONLY insert the father as the God in the creation event in Genesis 1. We MUST therefore replace the trinity for the father as the son is only the son of the father and not the son of the trinity or the son of the holy spirit.

If we now go back to Genesis 1 and say that the God that created the heaven and the earth in Genesis 1-1 is the father the verse could read as such,

 

Genesis 1-1 In the beginning THE FATHER created the heaven and the earth.


If we also assert like Hebrews 1:1-2 states that he created the world through his son then yet again the holy spirit has NO part to play in creation. We only have the father and the son being referred to. Whichever way this is looked at the trinity completely disappears from the act of creation and in fact CANNOT be involved in creation as any assertion that the God referenced in the creation event is the trinity not only causes a contradiction that cannot be overcome but is illogical in the trinitarians own interpretation and claim that the father, son and holy spirit are all distinct and that the son is the son of the father, a son in the trinity and not the son of the trinity.

If we are to remain consistent and remain logical then it is impossible for the trinity to have created in genesis 1.

Yet again the trinity just doesn’t stand up when examined.


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